This is part two of an interview I recorded live at the inaugural Yack Festival at Giant Dwarf a few weeks ago.
Stan Grant is a journalist, author and presenter who has worked all over the world for the likes of CNN, Sky News, SBS World News, NITV, the Guardian and the ABC. He is a Wiradjuri man who writes and speaks about race, racism and history in Australia, most recently in his Quarterly Essay released last year, The Australian Dream. He has just become the ABC’s Chief Asia Correspondent and will host a nightly discussion show on ABC News next year.
In this second part of our conversation, I ask Stan about one or two things I've heard about him and picked his brain on his critics, plus we take some questions from the floor. I feel very lucky to have the opportunity to pick Stan’s brain. Big thanks to the Giant Dwarf and Yack for having us and to all the Sydney friends who came along.
Due to Tonightly (my cool TV show that you can watch every bloody night of the week!), I won’t be able to bring you another podcast for a little while I’m afraid. But hey, there’s a back catalogue of 121 episodes for you to enjoy at your leisure. YOU ARE WELCOME.
Check out #Tonightly please!
Cause of the Week: The Australian Indigenous Education Foundation (aief.com.au)
Hello! I know this has been a long time coming. Apologies: I have been busy writing jokes about Bob Katter.
This is part one of an interview I recorded live at the inaugural Yack Festival at Giant Dwarf a few weeks ago.
Stan Grant is a journalist, author and presenter who has worked all over the world for the likes of CNN, Sky News, SBS World News, NITV, the Guardian and the ABC. He is a Wiradjuri man who writes and speaks about race, racism and history in Australia, most recently in his Quarterly Essay released last year, The Australian Dream. He has just become the ABC's Chief Asia Correspondent and will host a nightly discussion show on ABC News next year.
This is a wide-ranging conversation about everything from the Taliban to North Korea to constitutional recognition to white guilt to history and victimhood. I feel very lucky to have the opportunity to pick Stan's brain. Big thanks to the Giant Dwarf and Yack for having us and to all the Sydney friends who came along.
Due to Tonightly (my cool TV show that you can watch every bloody night of the week!), I won't be able to bring you another podcast for a little while I'm afraid. But hey, there's a back catalogue of 121 episodes for you to enjoy at your leisure. YOU ARE WELCOME.
Check out #Tonightly please!
Cause of the Week: The Australian Indigenous Education Foundation (aief.com.au)
Hello everyone! I am sorry I have not posted an episode in a while.
I have a reasonably good excuse: I am going to host a TV show.
Geoffrey Winters is a native title lawyer who ran against Tanya Plibersek as the Liberal Party candidate for the seat of Sydney in the 2016 election. He's a Gamillaroi man who's openly gay and who regularly appears on ABC's The Drum.
This is a frank discussion, featuring me trying to get my head around where Geoffrey is coming from as an Indigenous queer man who's also a conservative. From the marriage equality survey to being in a party alongside people he disagrees with with to being "pragmatic" to what conservatism can offer first nations peoples to what (if anything) would make him consider leaving the Liberals.
I got a lot out of this conversation and Geoffrey was mighty patient with me. I hope you like it.
Cause of the Week: Libs & Nats Say Yes (libsnatsyes.com.au)
Alex Greenwich is an independent MP in the NSW parliament and the National Convenor of Australian Marriage Equality. He's been campaigning for equal marriage for 10 years now and kindly gave me some of his time to reflect on how the postal survey is going, from the incidence of violence to the notion of "respectful" debate to what will happen if the No side is successful (an annoyingly real possibility).
Cause of the Week: Get the YES ad back on air
Owen Jones is an activist (first) and celebrated writer (second). He's the author of bestselling books Chavs: The Demonisation of the Working Class and The Establishment And How They Get Away With It, is a regular Guardian columnist and has a cracking YouTube channel. He's a major Leftist voice in UK politics and quite frankly, I was pretty stoked when he agreed to give me some of his time.
Here we talk about democratic socialism, what Corbyn's political rise means for that cause, the dangers of centrism and the basics of Brexit. We also touch on what defines the "working class", being friends with Tories and Owen's cat.
Cause of the Week: The Advocacy Academy (theadvocacyacademy.com)
Acclaimed comedian and all-round nice guy Ahir Shah was just nominated for the big award at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe for his passionate, insightful and hilarious show Control. It's a brilliant treatise on the fallout of Brexit and Trump and humankind's inability to learn from its past mistakes.
Here Ahir tells me about how the racist debate surrounding Brexit affected him personally, why he couldn't vote for Jeremy Corbyn in this year's election, the "economic anxiety" argument used to explain demonstrations of racism, being friends with conservatives and punching Nazis.
Cause of the Week: British Red Cross South Asian Flood Appeal
Geoff Norcott is a rare thing indeed: an (openly) right-wing comedian. His recent stand up shows have explored his working class background and his conservative politics and they've been mighty funny.
This was a fascinating discussion about Goeff's thoughts on capitalism, right-wing politics in comedy, Brexit, immigration, outrage, Corbyn, Brixton and personal responsibility.
Cause of the Week: Medicins Sans Frontieres (msf.org.uk)
What better week to talk about Australia and marriage equality lolololol
Sally Rugg is an out and proud campaign director at GetUp! calling for queer rights. She's been leading the marriage equality campaign for a while now (it regularly makes her "wake up tearing her hair out") and this week the movement has seen another ridiculous setback.
This chat was recorded a few weeks ago but I think it's a really important insight into where we're at in Australia with the marriage equality debate and the underlying issues around it. From the ACL to the stupidity of the plebiscite to what it all says about our politics, Sally is frank and passionate about this cause and makes it very clear that she won't be stopping until this discrimination is removed from the Marriage Act.
Cause of the Week: Twenty10 (twenty10.org.au)
Mark Di Stefano is the outgoing political editor at BuzzFeed Australia.
This is a frank chat where we both air our grievances about the shitty state of Australian politics, media and debate at the moment. From the cosy relationship between the press and the political class, the plethora of pundits who never get their comeuppance for being wrong to the good ol' fashioned outrage industry.
Also Mark explains what the Milkshake Duck is. I am old and uncool.
Cause of the Week: Copwatch (huffed.org/project/copwatchnjp)
Caroline Marcus is the "Political Reporter for the People" for Sky News and an opinion columnist for The Daily Telegraph.
Caroline joined me live onstage at the Giant Dwarf theatre in Redfern in front of a lively crowd on Wednesday July 12th. We touch on the media landscape, bias, identity politics and her experience reporting on the Australian detention centres on Nauru for A Current Affair. Our disagreement occasionally got heated, but I really appreciated the chance to explore this stuff with Caroline in detail.
A huge thank you to the Giant Dwarf for having us.
You can hear the first episode recorded on the night with Tanya Plibersek here.
Cause of the Week: Lifeline (lifeline.org.au)
Tanya Plibersek has been the Member for Sydney since 1998. She's the Deputy Leader of the ALP and Shadow Minister for Education and for Women.
Tanya joined me live onstage at the Giant Dwarf theatre in Redfern in front of a lively crowd on Wednesday July 12th. We touched on the ideological rift bubbling up in the Coalition at the moment, gender equality, Mark Latham, education funding and Labor's refugee policies.
A huge thank you to Tanya for making the time (particularly as she was battling a cold on the night), everyone for coming out to see the show and to the Giant Dwarf for having us.
The second conversation with journalist Caroline Marcus will be next week's episode.
Cause of the Week: Oxfam's East Africa Appeal
Jeff Sparrow is a writer, broadcaster and activist. He's a former member of the International Socialist Organisation and was one of the founding members of the Socialist Alternative.
I've been wanting to talk to Jeff for a long time and really appreciate this chance to ask him about radical politics, Marxism, class, oppression, the widespread rejection of centrism and the matter of taking one's politics "seriously".
Cause of the Week: Triple R (rrr.org.au)
This week I'm bringing some highlights from a panel I chaired last week for Amnesty International Australia entitled Defending Human Rights In A Time Of Heightened Populism.
The panel included refugee rights advocates Andre Dao and Aran Mylvaganam, Indigenous lawyer Meena Singh and businesswoman and social activist Hana Assafiri. Claire Mallinson, the National Director of Amnesty Australia, was also on the panel, but unfortunately due to audio issues I haven't been able to include her here.
I thought this was a really enlightening discussion on the way that populist politics affects our conception of human rights and plays into public debate. We reflected on what does and doesn't work for human rights advocacy in the face of populism, the death of facts and reason, persuasive storytelling and the impact of the Murdoch media on this conversation.
Please bear with the audio: I guarantee you it's worth it.
Cause of the Week: Amnesty International Australia (amnesty.org.au)
Samantha Ratnam is a social worker and Greens politician who's currently serving as the Deputy Mayor of Moreland City Council. She's previously served as Mayor in Moreland and in 2016 ran as the Greens candidate for the federal seat of Wills, losing out to Labor MP Peter Khalil.
This is a great insight into local politics and why Sam's passionate about it, particularly its ability to inspire change by example. We also cover the situation in Sri Lanka and how that's informed Sam's attitude towards conflict and multiculturalism, how Australia's approach to race feels like it's going backwards and the future of the Australian Greens.
Julian Burnside AO QC is a barrister and refugee advocate who has acted in some of the highest profile legal cases in Australian history, from the cash for comment inquiry to the waterfront dispute to the Tampa affair.
For the past 16 years Julian has tirelessly spoken out about Australia's cruel immigration policies and has acted pro bono for refugees and people seeking asylum. He received the 2014 Sydney Peace Prize for "his brave and principled advocacy for human rights and for those wronged by government [and] for insisting that we respect our international legal obligations toward those seeking asylum".
I got to go to Julian's (freaking amazing) house and talk to him at length about the state of refugee rights in Australia today, why he's never run for office himself, how the MUA case changed the way he looked at governments, the arts, justice and evil.
Cause of the Week: The Asylum Seeker Resource Centre (asrc.org.au)
Shireen Morris is the Constitutional Reform Advisor at Noel Pearson's Cape York Institute.
In the wake of the 50th anniversary of the 1967 Referendum and the Uluru Statement From The Heart, Shireen runs me through the history of constitutional recognition, what it means and how it might work moving forward. We cover symbolism, the political reaction to the Statement, what an Aboriginal Voice might look like, treaty and the tension between Indigenous land rights and environmental considerations.
I learnt a whole lot here because Shireen is fully heaps smart.
Cause of the Week: 1 Voice Uluru (1voiceuluru.org)
Jack Latimore is a Goori man of the Birpai nation. He's a journalist and researcher who covers indigenous affairs, media, culture and politics and his work has appeared in The Guardian, Indigenous X, Koori Mail, The Citizen, medium, SBS and Overland.
In the past week we've marked Sorry Day and the 50th anniversary of the 1967 Referendum and witnessed 300 Indigenous leaders gather in Uluru for a summit on what constitutional recognition for Australia's First Peoples might look like. Here I ask Jack what he made of the summit's Statement from the Heart, how recognition and/or treaty could work and media representations of Indigenous peoples, from First Contact to Stan Grant to Bill Leak's cartoons.
SAVE THE DATE: June 22nd for a charity gig for Refugee Legal at Howler Bar in Melbourne
John Safran is one of the most interesting writers/comedians/filmmakers/broadcasters/provocateurs/social commentators Australia has ever produced. He’s fascinated by issues surrounding religion and race and the Illuminati and he’s very funny when exploring them.
John’s latest book, Depends What You Mean By Extremist, sees him hanging out with far right extremists like the United Patriots Front and Reclaim Australia, Islamic fundamentalists and far left anarchists. It’s brilliant, challenging and very relevant to the INTENSE political moment we’re living through. Here John and I talk about patriotism, extremism, Australia’s reluctance to accept radicalism in any form and geese and ganders.
Cause of the Week: The Make A Wish Foundation (makeawish.org.au)
One of the biggest and best comedians in Australia, Wil Anderson is super funny, super smart and super nice. Wil is a world-renowned stand up, the host of the ABC hit Gruen, former host of weekly satire show The Glass House and serial podcaster. He's been thinking and telling jokes about the news for a long time and he's pretty bloody good at it.
This chat covers a lot of ground, from Wil's thoughts on the size of government to the state of journalism and the ABC to his approach to political comedy. We also eat some cheese and laugh about Mark Latham.
Gay and Bi men are being persecuted in Chechnya - you can help:
Cause of the week: UNHCR (unrefugees.org.au), support independent media please
Sara Saleh is a self-identifying "radical" poet and human rights activist. She works in refugee resettlement, is a GetUp! board member, co-founded the Dubai Poetry Slam and has worked with organisations like Amnesty International and WestWORDS.
At a time of heightened Islamophobic debate raging in the public sphere in Australia, Sara and I talk about what it's like to have your faith and community constantly being scrutinised and demonised by politicians and commentators. From the plight of Yassmin Abdel-Magied to Palestine to Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the intersection of Islam and feminism, this is a really enlightening discussion about uncomfortable things.
Cause of the Week: GetUp! (getup.org.au)
Chris Berg is a Senior Fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs and a Postdoctoral Fellow at RMIT. He's passionate about civil liberties, defending freedom, shrinking the size of government and general libertarian good times.
Here Chris and I cover a lot: "ideology" not being a dirty word, the pitfalls of politics, the role of the State, prosecuting radical ideas, human flourishing, adapting to (rather than taxing) climate change, the Nanny State, partying in Amsterdam, why the Commonwealth Games are a rort and what he admires in the Left.
Cause of the Week: The Human Capital Project (humancapitalproject.com.au)
This guy is a gun. At just 22 years old, Tim Lo Surdo has advised federal senators and worked at everywhere from the Oaktree Foundation to the Australian Youth Climate Change Coalition to UN Youth to the United Voice union.
He's now set up an advocacy group called Democracy in Colour: an advocacy group dedicated to combating racism in Australian politics. It's a fascinating project, and here Tim outlines his personal experiences of racism, the realities of racism and the politics of fear in Australia today, the Left's failures to combat such racism and how white allies can help (in the right way).
100 episodes, everyone! We bloody made it. Gosh.
Thanks so much for getting onboard with this little show. I love doing it and hope you get something out of each episode. I've learnt so much talking to all the guests on the show over the past two years and hope to keep doing it for as along as I can.
I can think of no better way to celebrate the century than with a live show at The Wheeler Centre with the national director of GetUp!, Paul Oosting.
In this chat, recorded in front of a "sold-out crowd" (it was free, but still - pretty cool) as part of the Centre's Invasion of the Pod People series on Monday March 27th, Paul and I discuss what GetUp! is all about and how things are looking for progressives in this country at the moment. From the far-right's influence on the government to 18C to campaign finance reform to the crucial difference between viewing the electorate as "disenfranchised" as opposed to "disengaged", this is a really interesting and relevant discussion for now.
PLUS we brainstorm about how to stop Dutton getting elected.
A big thanks to Paul for flying down from Sydney just for the show and Helen and everyone at The Wheeler Centre for their help in making this happen.
Here's to 100 more!
Cause of the Week: GetUp! (getup.org.au)
James Paterson has been a Victorian senator for the Liberal Party for just over a year now. He's been making a name for himself as a passionate advocate for freedom of speech in regards to the reforming of Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act and by proposing that Australia help deal with its debt problem by selling off Jackson Pollock's Blue Poles.
Here the Senator and I talk about our first meeting years ago, his position as something of a political anomaly within his own family, why he's so strident on 18C, racism, offshore detention and corporate tax cuts.
Cause of the Week: Soldier On (soldieron.org.au)